Naomi Anthar
No Tax So Relax.
24
I earn my iskies from exploration. I don't complain cash is good. It is less boring than running missions and i'm pretty good at it. Sometimes even get 1 bil per day in high sec . Not saying people don't earn more , just to point that i'm content with what earn after more than 2 months of play.
In order to keep things "interesting" if i can say so - i do travel a lot and not within just one region. You know doing same same DED 3 and DED 4 can be boring as hell. It's not only about iskies. I like to do diffrent stuff there and there. And even if not as profitable or viable for ship i run - i do check all other pirate factions except rogue drones.
Topic is about Minmatar and Caldari simply because i don't fully understand why they are so hardcorely overpopulated and overexplored by people.
First of all i want to point out that i know how expensive are small shield boosters / medium shield boosters and invul fields.
But still even with those prices the number of explorers do not keep up. I mean i think there is like 10x more people exploring mentioned spaces. WHY? I ask because 10x more people means 10x less money obviously.
Invention materials are not much more valuable than Amarr/Serpentis. But still even "radar runners" are like everywhere. They don't even run combat sites, they just run radars? Why not in other spaces ? I mean they would earn 10x cash they earn in Caldari/Minmatar ?
I will go even further : i think that Caldari / Minmatar are sh*ttiest cash wise regions for explorer. Here are reasons:
1. Less radar sites per hour find on average - obviously 100 herons and imicuses per system is enough.
2. Guristas lookout cannot be run in anything bigger than destroyer - effective cuts number of possible faction loot/implants/esaclations.
3. Gurista Watch being pain in ass , usually not worth running just to check that faction guy did not spawn at all.
4. Enormous numbers of other explorers proves DED complexes to be really challenging when you get invaded by several T3's looking to loot the stuff too.
5. Scanning 100 whs or empty systems before you find DED with someone probably inside already.
And so on
It's not like i want them shinny pithum invus for myself all. It's just about having fun in other places too. It's pretty boring and not profitable to fly around to scan empty systems all around.
So why ? Why so many people ? When they can earn much more cash in Sansha/Serpentis/Blood Raiders regions ?
People are crazy thinking about possible booster and invu drop from one site or what ? (and this almost never happens)
Rex Aparte
The Scope
Gallente Federation
2
So why don't you go there? Posting in a stealth "I want Caldari space to myself thread".
Naomi Anthar
No Tax So Relax.
24
Rex Aparte wrote:
So why don't you go there? Posting in a stealth "I want Caldari space to myself thread".
I was already there, took Pithum invu , dread guristas ballistic control and medium shield booster within 1 day. But it was pure luck ... i did scan those sites ... this way :
Scanned nothing , scanned again accidentaly- something spawned NOW - no joke it's true. 7 tengus were in system but it seems they scanned and move on. And when i was looting pithum invu some tengu was already burning to me in 2nd pocket. WTF another one did show up so fast , even tho i completed this complex really fast. Can't say i wasn't luck with all this loot. But i'm realist. I know that :
1. Nothing may drop as well actually ( 0 kk isk)
2. Trick with scanning one system until DED 4 spawns does not work well usually.
So don't troll me please. And i actually said i want to explore all spaces. I was to all except Shadow serpentis - for a reason - imma not ready for thier DED 4 . When i will ... then i will explore this space too.
Edit : i also mentioned i would like to do some Angel stuff too - but it's same **** as Caldari atm , so i don't get you at all.
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
788
While "your space" is the sh*ttiest due to how many people run it its also by far the easiest when it comes to ewar npcs. Gallente space has annoying damps but they have a more better drops overall. Amarr space has annoying tracking ewar and only 2 good drops(reppers and eanms).
Your space has jamming which can be countered by fitting 1 module or target painting which in itself is a joke, thats why you see so many people.
Naomi Anthar
No Tax So Relax.
24
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
While "your space" is the sh*ttiest due to how many people run it its also by far the easiest when it comes to ewar npcs. Gallente space has annoying damps but they have a more better drops overall. Amarr space has annoying tracking ewar and only 2 good drops(reppers and eanms).
Your space has jamming which can be countered by fitting 1 module or target painting which in itself is a joke, thats why you see so many people.
When you see True sansha warp scrambler or stasis webifier (best among all faction) drop you change your mind about there being only EANM and rep. Then next when you get from unrated lg epsilon slave implants dropped ... you start to actually have idea that it's not just rep and eanm.
And why you even mention ewars ? Sure caldari **** is super easy i did it like 5 times and 10 times ded 3 and was NEVER jammed once. I start to think that either i destroy them too fast or there is no ewar at all there. I'm just talking about density/rewards from diffrent regions.
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
788
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
While "your space" is the sh*ttiest due to how many people run it its also by far the easiest when it comes to ewar npcs. Gallente space has annoying damps but they have a more better drops overall. Amarr space has annoying tracking ewar and only 2 good drops(reppers and eanms).
Your space has jamming which can be countered by fitting 1 module or target painting which in itself is a joke, thats why you see so many people.
When you see True sansha warp scrambler or stasis webifier (best among all faction) drop you change your mind about there being only EANM and rep. Then next when you get from unrated lg epsilon slave implants dropped ... you start to actually have idea that it's not just rep and eanm.
And why you even mention ewars ? Sure caldari **** is super easy i did it like 5 times and 10 times ded 3 and was NEVER jammed once. I start to think that either i destroy them too fast or there is no ewar at all there. I'm just talking about density/rewards from diffrent regions.
I mention ewar because its important when it comes to completion times. It takes me bloody long to do Sansha Vigils in a ~550 DPS Legion(im mainly a turret pilot with turret implants) than if i were to to do a vigil in caldari space with my poorly skilled barely 300dps tengu.
Naomi Anthar
No Tax So Relax.
24
Ok i agree - VIGIL is broken as hell , but it's not worth running for me ;p. Sansha watch and lookout on the other hand are bloody easy and often very rewarding.
Kiteo Hatto
Equanimity Order
788
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Ok i agree - VIGIL is broken as hell , but it's not worth running for me ;p. Sansha watch and lookout on the other hand are bloody easy and often very rewarding.
What are you flying, out of curiosity ?
Naomi Anthar
No Tax So Relax.
24
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Ok i agree - VIGIL is broken as hell , but it's not worth running for me ;p. Sansha watch and lookout on the other hand are bloody easy and often very rewarding.
What are you flying, out of curiosity ?
Omen navy issue. (Done all DED 4 except Shadow serpentis in it) Good ship. Sure Legion would be better but it's reliable. I got no skills for better ships atm. Playing barely more than 2 months ;).
Caleidascope
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
226
Naomi Anthar wrote:
I earn my iskies from exploration. I don't complain cash is good. It is less boring than running missions and i'm pretty good at it. Sometimes even get 1 bil per day in high sec . Not saying people don't earn more , just to point that i'm content with what earn after more than 2 months of play.
In order to keep things "interesting" if i can say so - i do travel a lot and not within just one region. You know doing same same DED 3 and DED 4 can be boring as hell. It's not only about iskies. I like to do diffrent stuff there and there. And even if not as profitable or viable for ship i run - i do check all other pirate factions except rogue drones.
Topic is about Minmatar and Caldari simply because i don't fully understand why they are so hardcorely overpopulated and overexplored by people.
First of all i want to point out that i know how expensive are small shield boosters / medium shield boosters and invul fields.
But still even with those prices the number of explorers do not keep up. I mean i think there is like 10x more people exploring mentioned spaces. WHY? I ask because 10x more people means 10x less money obviously.
Invention materials are not much more valuable than Amarr/Serpentis. But still even "radar runners" are like everywhere. They don't even run combat sites, they just run radars? Why not in other spaces ? I mean they would earn 10x cash they earn in Caldari/Minmatar ?
I will go even further : i think that Caldari / Minmatar are sh*ttiest cash wise regions for explorer. Here are reasons:
1. Less radar sites per hour find on average - obviously 100 herons and imicuses per system is enough.
2. Guristas lookout cannot be run in anything bigger than destroyer - effective cuts number of possible faction loot/implants/esaclations.
3. Gurista Watch being pain in ass , usually not worth running just to check that faction guy did not spawn at all.
4. Enormous numbers of other explorers proves DED complexes to be really challenging when you get invaded by several T3's looking to loot the stuff too.
5. Scanning 100 whs or empty systems before you find DED with someone probably inside already.
And so on
It's not like i want them shinny pithum invus for myself all. It's just about having fun in other places too. It's pretty boring and not profitable to fly around to scan empty systems all around.
So why ? Why so many people ? When they can earn much more cash in Sansha/Serpentis/Blood Raiders regions ?
People are crazy thinking about possible booster and invu drop from one site or what ? (and this almost never happens)
Generally matari space overpopulated because of the angel ew. The angel ew is by far the "friendliest". Nobody is damping your targeting range, nobody makes you drop your targets, nobody disrupt your turrets. Just show up and kill stuff, very straight forward.
Life is short and dinner time is chancy
Eat dessert first!
Naomi Anthar
No Tax So Relax.
26
Well that is good point. No disruption, no damps, no ecm ... fair enough ! Still that is about Angel. And guristas ?
Daimar Lavode
Under the I 17
4
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Well that is good point. No disruption, no damps, no ecm ... fair enough ! Still that is about Angel. And guristas ?
Caldari is the highest population race and contains Jita. People are lazy and do not want to travel 20 jumps so they will put up with overcrowded systems.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
124
Naomi Anthar wrote:
First of all i want to point out that i know how expensive are small shield boosters / medium shield boosters and invul fields.
But still even with those prices the number of explorers do not keep up. I mean i think there is like 10x more people exploring mentioned spaces. WHY? I ask because 10x more people means 10x less money obviously.
Invention materials are not much more valuable than Amarr/Serpentis. But still even "radar runners" are like everywhere. They don't even run combat sites, they just run radars? Why not in other spaces ? I mean they would earn 10x cash they earn in Caldari/Minmatar ?
When a sig is done, it respawns elsewhere in appropriate space.
ie the number of scout outposts spawned up at any one point in time is probably very similar to the number of mul-zatahs but the gurista sites are done more often, despawned more often and thus respawn more often daily.
I do not find it particularly hard to find gurista sigs, however I would expect roll the sleeves up and to not muck about when I find a gurista scout outpost, because it will have a shorter lifespan than a mul-zatah before someone else finds it, and a loss to competitor wastes the scanning time.
The theory that 10x as many people exploring = 1/10th the loot is just plain wrong.
I'd expect to pull about 75% items per hour from guristas space as I would blood space (and only due to sharing sigs with other people actually entering them at the same time), and I would expect that would easily be covered by the difference in value of the peak items - so I'd make more money in gurista space. blood implants are low value, and the eanm (though valuable) is not a competitor pricewise to an invuln.
I prefer doing blood space simply because its more relaxing to have less competitor entrants.
Mnemosyne Gloob
Acerbus Vindictum
Stealth Wear Inc.
92
Naomi Anthar wrote:
Topic is about Minmatar and Caldari simply because i don't fully understand why they are so hardcorely overpopulated and overexplored by people.
Three quarters of EVE (it seems like) fly shield ships. Popular mission setups favour shield setups (gank>tank). There is more to mention, but this alone should explain why shield modules (Guristas and Angel) are in such high demand. If you actually look at the different size shield boosters, you will find an interesting fact about the difference of those 2 factions.
In angel space, while the shield mods are not that much expensive because of 'gameplay', you have the added value of prop mods.
Now move to the other factions - not considering EWAR/CAPwarfare mods - most of the armor tanking stuff is simply not that much asked for - unless it is a A-type EANM to be fitted on a super/titan (which the shield variants also end up in, thus driving up their price some more). Deadspace armor reps are a pretty niche commodity, hence the price (and going rate) is 'meh'.
Thats about it. Stuff that ppl want to buy, but is in limited supply, prices are high.
[edit]i kinda didn't read the rest there. Sorry.
I haven't much experience in minmatar space, but when i had it was the 2nd most populated space (generally, not just explorers) after caldari. Something to do with player behaviour i guess. I mean why are seemingly 3/4 of eve caldari and flying drakes? Is it because jita is close? Maybe.
The fact that there are many explorers in those areas i would put down to a) possible rewards (it is ridiculousely easy to just trawl for 4/10 now) and b) overall distribution of players in the different regions/factions.[/edit]
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1125
Basically everything Mnemo said.
Caldari/Minmi drop shield mods, which are higher in demand than armor mods.
Also (IIRC, might be mistaken) the difference faction/deadspace shield mods and their T1/T2 are much bigger/better than between faction/deadspace armor mods and T1/T2.
The points regarding Radar and Lookout are irrelevant if you consider that people are only scanning for DED 4/10. And honestly I don't blame them: if you're only scanning for DED 4/10, you only have to scan a fraction of the sites in highsec, and the percentage that are good sites (i.e. DED 4/10) is much much higher than if you're scanning everything. That 4/10 sig strength? Congratulations, you can completely avoid having to scan 80+% of wormholes.
Mark Douoglas Hamil
Vulkan Innovations
Hegemonous Pandorum
1
Do radar sites spwan once in every constalation or only in one region? i mean, if you do a radar and complete it, does it spawn in that constalation or somewhere else in the region? How many radars are in High sec?
